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For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly. You should upgrade or use an alternative browser. Bottle Dating. Thread starter scwuba Start date Jul 23, Welcome to our Antique Bottle community Be a part of something great, join today! Register Log in. scwuba New Member. Joined Jul 10, Messages 2 Reaction score 0 Points 0. Hello, I was after some information on a few bottles I have, I have a couple of bottles with FGC embossed on the bottom, and a couple with UGB embossed on the bottom, however I have been unable to find any info on iether one.

I was interested in knowing how old they are and also some history please. Thanks in advance. capsoda Well-Known Member. Joined Nov 15, Messages 9, Reaction score 5 Points 0 Location Seminole,Alabama, USA. Hey Mel, Welcome to the forum. LTD {Atlas Glass Co. Helens, Lancashire, England, to 19??.

Hi Warren, Thanks heaps for the info, would you now of any web site where I could date them? also I have several bottles with their bases go a quarter of the way back up the bottle, they are all green with one a very dark green.

A "NO" answer is much less likely than "YES" for this question as a very large majority of bottles made during the 19th century and virtually all made during the 20th century were mold blown resulting in mold seams; see the notes below. If you are sure that the answer is "NO", move to QUESTION 3 below. Notes : 1. A low probability though possible "NO" alternative is that the user has an unembossed, molded bottle with no visible vertical side mold seams.

This can be due to one or a combination of factors including post-molding hot glass "flow" masking the mold seams, fire polishing of the bottle body, or atypically good mold part s fitting precision. If necessary, look very closely at the bottle shoulder - the best location to see vertical side seams on mouth-blown and most machine-made bottles - in good light with a hand lens to see if there is at least some faint evidence of where the mold part edges came together. Often the vertical side mold seams are evidenced by very faint changes in glass density in lines where one would expect mold seams to be.

If the embossing on a bottle is only within a separately applied blob seal similar to that shown to the right click to enlarge , and found nowhere else on the bottle, the bottle is almost certainly mouth-blown.

Click QUESTION 4 to pursue more information on the Mouth-Blown Bottles portion of this key you will move to another webpage. This is another low probability choice but certainly possible. Dating Bottles with the Side Mold Seam "Myth". One of the longest running "myths" in the world of bottle dating is that the side mold seam can be read like a thermometer to determine the age of a bottle.

The concept is that the higher the side mold seam on the bottle the later it was made - at least in the era from the early to mid 19th century until the first few decades of the 20th century. This dating tool was apparently devised by Grace Kendrick in her book " The Antique Bottle Collector. This concept was articulated by Kendrick's in a chapter entitled "The Applied Lip" which contains an "Age Gauge: Mold Seams of Bottles" chart Figure 9.

Kendrick's explains in the text pages that It is true that the mold seams can be used like a thermometer to determine the approximate age of a bottle. The closer to the top of the bottle the seams extend, the more recent was the production of the bottle.

The chart accompanying this statement notes that bottles made before have a side mold seam ending on the shoulder or low on the neck, between and the seam ends just below the finish, between and the seam ends within the finish just below the finish rim top lip surface , and those made after have mold seams ending right at the top surface of the finish, i.

Although there are examples of bottles having mold seams that fit these date ranges properly, the issue of dating bottles is much more complicated than the simple reading of side mold seams. If it were that simple much of this website would be unnecessary!

For example, the process that produces a tooled finish frequently erases traces of the side mold seam up to an inch below the base of the finish whereas the typical applied finish has the seam ending higher - right at the base of the finish Lockhart et. The reason this is noted here is that the concept keeps popping up in the literature of bottle dating and identification ranging from Sellari's books Sellari published shortly after Kendrick's book to as recent as Fike and Heetderk's It is also frequently noted by sellers on eBay® when describing their offerings.

For a broader discussion of this subject see Lockhart, et al. If unsure about what the lip , rim , or finish of a bottle is, check the Bottle Morphology sub-page. Toledo, OH. bottle manufactured on an Owens Bottle Machine - ca.

This is a "machine-made" bottle or jar and will also usually have a highly diagnostic horizontal mold seam just below the finish base that circles the neck. The picture to the left shows both of these mold seams click to enlarge. If your bottle fits this description, click Machine-made Bottles to move to the related webpage which allows the user to pursue more information on bottles produced almost totally in the 20th century by some type of automatic or semi-automatic bottle machine.

The vast majority of U. manufactured, mouth-blown molded bottles were made between about and The following is a discussion of the most common exceptions to the side mold seam "rule" describing a few types of machine-made bottles on which the vertical side mold seams do not quite reach the top edge of the finish making them possible appear to be mouth-blown.

Fire Polishing - Although infrequently encountered, machine-made bottles may have fire polished finish rims - a process which eradicated evidence of the neck-ring mold seam on the rim of the bottle.

These bottles will not have the side mold seam proceeding from the upper finish side over and onto the rim itself. Ostensibly this was done to remove the mold seam rim "bump" that was sometimes left by earlier machines - an action which may have helped facilitate better sealing with crown caps, screw-thread caps, or similar closures which sealed on the rim of the finish.

These bottles will, however, have the vertical side mold seam progressing all the way to the very top of the finish side, just not onto the rim. They will also have other machine-made characteristics as described on the Machine-made Bottles page.

In the experience of the website author, these machine-made bottles are rarely encountered and likely a function of early machine-made wares to s that had less precise mold fitting and resulted in the need for fire polishing to facilitate proper closure function. Milk Bottles - Many milk bottles made with press-and-blow machines from the very early s into at least the s resulted in vertical side mold seams that gradually fade out on the neck distinctly below the base of the finish.

Click here for a picture of a typical s to s milk bottle. This exception to the side mold seam "rule" was caused by the specific workings of these machines which masked the upper portion of the side mold seam. Click on the image to the right to view both mold seam features pointed out on a press-and-blow machine manufactured milk bottle made by the Pacific Coast Glass Company San Francisco, CA.

between and If your bottle is a milk bottle that fits this description, click Machine-made Bottles to move to the Machine-made bottles dating page for more possible dating refinement and to pursue more information. The image to the left is a close-up of the shoulder, neck and finish of a small Sheaffers ink bottle click to enlarge for more detail.

The image shows the vertical side mold seam ending on the outside edge of the bead finish at a "ring" mold the upper portion of a parison or "blank" mold induced horizontal mold seam that encircles the extreme outer edge of the finish. The side mold seam does not extend onto the top surface of the finish, i. These features are pointed out - and much more readable - on the larger hyperlinked image; click to view. The image to the right is a close-up of a small, medium green, machine-made ink bottle.

As above, click on the image to view a larger and much more readable version with the various features pointed out. This termination of the side mold seam within the finish short of the rim Sheaffers ink or actually short of the finish itself green ink on these bottles makes it appear upon casual glance that these are mouth-blown bottles having either an improved tooled finish Sheaffers or an applied finish green ink.

However, both bottles are certainly machine-made. Click Sheaffers Ink to view the discussion of this bottles features on the Household Bottles typology page. The Sheaffers ink was made on the blow-and-blow Owens Automatic Bottle Machine as indicated by the a base makers marking for the Owens-Illinois Glass Co.

There is also no neck ring mold seam immediately below the finish like found on most Owens machine produced bottles and on a majority of all machine-made bottles.

Instead, there is one located near the base of the neck indicating that the neck ring mold portion of the parison mold produced the finish, neck, and a portion of the shoulder. This is also pointed out on the image above; click to enlarge. The earlier green glass ink bottle is also certainly machine-made, most likely on an early semi-automatic , press-and-blow machine based on its crudeness and lack of a suction scar. A likely machine used for making this ink bottle was the "Blue Machine.

pdf It also has no neck ring mold seam immediately below the finish like found on most Owens machine produced bottles or on the majority of machine-made bottles. Instead, there is distinct horizontal mold seam protruding slightly on the outside edge of the lower finish and another vague mold seam encircling the bottle located on the shoulder near the base of the neck. This indicates that the neck ring mold portion of the parison mold produced the finish, neck, and a small portion of the shoulder.

These are all pointed out on the image above; click to enlarge. Both these described machine-made ink bottles exhibit no sign of the concentric, horizontal finishing 0r lipping tool induced marks that would be present on a mouth-blown finish which was hand tooled to shape. These bottles are discussed in more detail in the ink bottle section of the Household Bottles non-food related typology page.

If your bottle is an ink fitting the descriptions above, click Machine-made Bottles to move to the Machine-made bottles dating page for more possible dating refinement and to pursue more information.

Bottle DOES NOT Have Vertical Side Mold Seams. The concentric rings are not always as obvious as the picture shows click to enlarge and sometimes not visible, though if present it is a conclusive diagnostic feature. Turn-mold bottle body showing faint concentric rings. YES - This bottle was produced in a turn-mold which was also known in the glass industry as a paste-mold. All turn-mold bottles are cylindrical and unless stained, will usually have a polished looking sheen to the glass surface.

A "YES" answer to this question is more likely than a "NO". Go to QUESTION 5 for a possible dating refinement based on the method of finish application, though some of the diagnostic features can be masked by the turn-mold production process.

This bottle is mouth-blown and likely either free-blown or dip molded.

To submit your vote please sign in or sign up , it is free and takes a few seconds. Just a quick couple of historical points here : 1 Canada largely bans alcohol under various territorial bans between , by prohibition is complete throughout Canada. html ]. Being of an 8-yr aged spirit, this was likely bottled in what do you think?

Please leave me a comment. Wchurst is a master administrator and an all time top contributor at Drinks Planet. Note that Quebec had prohibition for less than a year. Display name. Email to be Notified Optional. Get notifications. By clicking 'Submit' or otherwise submitting this form you agree to the Site Terms and acknowledge our Privacy Policy. D rinks P lanet. Dating Canadian Bottles By wchurst , 8 years ago. Please sign in To submit your vote please sign in or sign up , it is free and takes a few seconds.

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